Yes, I'd like to stop posting on this subject too. And will, as soon as common sense prevails and we stop needing to even have such a debate.Guy Rundle wrote in yesterday's Crikey about the effect that the Californian Supreme Court's recent unexpectedly
logical and sensible decision on the subject of gay marriage (namely, that there is no compelling social reason - as there would be in a ban on incest or polyamoury - to exempt the legislature from the state constitution's guarantee of equal protection under the law*) might have on the upcoming American federal election.
His musings on that subject were interesting, but his attempt to explain just
why non-gay middle Americans could conceivably get so interested in something that has, pretty much by definition, little to do with them, was bizarre. So bizarre that I'm going to do a little quote-and-reply:
Nevertheless, the issue could still get well out of the box and become a major rallying point. For no matter how much left-liberals argue that same-s-x marriage has no inherent effect on marriage as an institution, it undoubtably does, and people feel it.
It "undoubtably" does? Please, Guy, explain how some gay person getting married has the slightest effect on your life-long sworn commitment to your wife. Please, please Guy. Help me understand you. What you are saying
simply does not make sense.
Put simply, the social meaning of marriage has always been fertility and lineality -- the interlacing of society between different family groups by ensuring that they will have shared objects of devotion, i.e. kids they know they're related to.
That's it? Oh, please, you cannot be serious. That hasn't been the "social meaning of marriage" since marriages stopped being annulled by reason of infertility. The suggestion that it could be the meaning today is beyond farcical, since there are many people who get married with either no intention of having children, or indeed, no ability to have children. It's profoundly insulting to many, many married people to patronisingly argue the contrary.
Indeed, someone who'd pretend that marriage is inherently about fertility and children would have to logically object to one of their widowed parents remarrying in old age. THEY SHOULD BE HAPPY TO JUST LIVE ALONE OR IN SIN, THE OLD FREAKS.
To summarise, arguing that people who can't have children shouldn't get married is fairly conclusive proof that said person is a self-righteous git.
The plain fact is that you can't change the meaning of marriage to include same-s-x couples -- with children acquired by adoption, surrogacy, basting implements, Chinese mail-order whatever -- without changing its meaning, and that observation is prior to any question of whether you think that is a good idea or not.
That's
not a plain fact. That claim -
not gay marriage - is a complete redefinition of what marriage means for many people today. The ability to have children is
not a pre-requisite or compulsory attribute, and hasn't been in our lifetimes. Marriage clearly means the things that all marriages have in common - love between two people and a commitment to form a permanent partnership together for as long as they both shall live. To care for each other in sickness and in health, in poverty and wealth, etc etc. Not since considerably more barbarous and cynical times has the production of offspring been a mandatory component.
And anyone who thinks two gay or lesbian people getting married somehow necessitates a major adjustment of the entire institution must either not know all that many happily married people, or think gays and lesbians are inhuman monsters incapable of abiding love.
Proponents of s-s marriage can fairly be accused of hypocrisy on this, knowing or otherwise -- on the one hand, the initiative is presented as a small thing, not likely to change much. On the other marriage, rather than civil union, is defended as something required, as having meaning above and beyond its purely administrative status.
That's not inconsistent - it's a staggeringly minor change for those of us who aren't gay (unless we're actually gaining some kind of self-righteous pleasure in keeping them down). It - the end of government treating you as a second-class citizen - would, presumably, be a significant change for the gay people themselves. But you know what? I can be happy for them. I have no idea why the bigots can't.
Which it is -- and which is why so many people feel threatened by it.
How many times is Rundle going to introduce these highly arguable propositions with definitive declarations? "It undoubtedly does." "The plain fact is." "Which it is." No, Guy - it doesn't, it isn't, it isn't. None of these claimed absolutes stand up to even the most superficial examination.
Not threatened in a psychological sense, but in a literal and rational sense, because same-s-x marriage de-centres the entire basis on which culture, any culture, has subsisted. It's an enormous shift, which is why it's enough for people to decide their vote on, even when their kids are in Iraq, their house is in repossession, and their truck is in the garage cos they can't afford to run it.
Sorry, but "rational" is about the least applicable word Rundle could have used in that paragraph. Don't give the bigots credit. They're not opposed through any genuine concern about their own marriages - they're opposed because they only know gays as people who according to Fred Phelps are sick perverts who enjoy activities in the bedroom that Decent People find somewhat distateful to imagine. If you press the bigot enough they'll reveal their problem is more with the (I imagine) uncomfortable mechanics than anything that deserves to be called a principle. And, also, it's nice to have someone further down the ladder than you. Essentially, it's the same idiotic human fear of people who are different that has contaminated the species' entire history.
Back to the election - even if you personally think homosexuality is something to be stamped out, you can surely at least concede that it doesn't really affect you in any tangible sense. Which makes anyone who'd rank oppressing gays as more important than any of these other issues either a religious fundamentalist with a peculiarly selective reading of their religious tome of choice**, or a dimwit.
*You should have known that would come back to bite you, bigots. You wanted to pretend to believe in equality whilst still denying it - finally someone called you on the contradiction. About fricking time.
**And if you're basing your objection on one of these religious tomes, not wanting marriage to be applied to people who are, in your view, sinners on their way to hell, then shouldn't you oppose marriage for
all non-believers? We're on our way down there too, presumably.
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